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So many people say that FF7 is great, well not really. I'm not saying it a bad game it just has way too many ridiculous spin off games. For example: Dirge of Cerberus, and Crisis Core. Why does Zack need his own game? The best in the series has to be FF6, no question.

Final Fantasy VII is epic... The rest of the "Final Fantasy Compilation" is SquareEnix's way of milking the most successful RPG in history (over 9.8 million copies worldwide, and still being sold in Japan today) Play the original game for the PlayStation and you'll understand. If you like RPG's, you'll enjoy it. Unfortunately, the graphics are atrocious because the game is over 10 years old. Quite frankly, aside from Crisis Core, all the FF7 compilation games were horrible (this does not include the original, only the stuff released in the last few years). Crisis Core is pretty good, but not an RPG, but an action game (some consider it an Action-RPG like Castlevania: Symphony of the Night).

BTW, here is a picture I took just this weekend at a Bic Camera in Tachikawa. You can still buy FF7 new off the shelf on basic retailers here in Japan. I wish it were true in America.

AND CHRONO TRIGGER!!! awww two games I want to play but didnt have the opportunity to play when I was younger b/c I had N64 then PS2 and never really hav the money to buy many video games...if only I lived in Japan, just a question, about how many US dollars do those games sell for currently? and do you know if there is a website I could order from? and I am assuming the games would be in japanese but is there a way to change the language to your knowledge?

Bite thy tongue. Final Fantasy VII is a masterpiece of a game. The original is not responsible for its offspring. Final Fantasy VII shouldn't be judged for its spin-offs any more than Final Fantasy X should be judged for Final Fantasy X-2.

OcarinaMan333 wrote:just a question, about how many US dollars do those games sell for currently? and do you know if there is a website I could order from? and I am assuming the games would be in japanese but is there a way to change the language to your knowledge?

First of all, right now the Yen rate is about 100Yen to the Dollar, so about $15 for Chrono Trigger and just over $20 for FF7. Bic Camera's website is www.biccamera.co.jp and you should be able to find these at www.amazon.co.jp. However, you must either be running on a modified PS1 of PS2 to play (or actually have a Japanese console) because the game are region coded. In other words, on an out-of-the-box PS1 bought in the US, these would not play. And yes, they would be in Japanese. To complex for me to play (though many of my co-worker's children can probably play it )

I just bought FFX. Its pretty good. I was inspired to buy it after getting the soundtrack. Then I made my Yuna's theme video.

Ocarinar wrote:I just bought FFX. Its pretty good. I was inspired to buy it after getting the soundtrack. Then I made my Yuna's theme video.

I like FFX, but I got tired of it getting sooo drawn out. But the storyline is great.

reev0 wrote:

OcarinaMan333 wrote:just a question, about how many US dollars do those games sell for currently? and do you know if there is a website I could order from? and I am assuming the games would be in japanese but is there a way to change the language to your knowledge?

First of all, right now the Yen rate is about 100Yen to the Dollar, so about $15 for Chrono Trigger and just over $20 for FF7. Bic Camera's website is www.biccamera.co.jp and you should be able to find these at www.amazon.co.jp. However, you must either be running on a modified PS1 of PS2 to play (or actually have a Japanese console) because the game are region coded. In other words, on an out-of-the-box PS1 bought in the US, these would not play. And yes, they would be in Japanese. To complex for me to play (though many of my co-worker's children can probably play it )

ok thanks, so I will need to visit my local EBGames

the only final fantasy I enjoyed was the original, because you could customize everything.

I stand by what I said!! Just because graphics and music are superb doesn't mean the gameplay is of anyworth! True Chrono trigger is good, but the game I mentioned came before FF7!! Final Fantasy doesn't revolve around an insane blond emo wielding a sword he can't keep for 2 seconds, and a gifted girl with back problems. The truth is in the revolting movie advent children, and while we're on the topic Final Fantasy the spirits within shouldn't even be called a final fantasy! The truth about FF7 is the only reason people like it is because the graphics, music, and choppy plot. The only thing I remember about that game is Aerith dying. I've made my point! OH and only the original SNES chrono trigger by the by.

GamingMad wrote:I stand by what I said!! Just because graphics and music are superb doesn't mean the gameplay is of anyworth! True Chrono trigger is good, but the game I mentioned came before FF7!! Final Fantasy doesn't revolve around an insane blond emo wielding a sword he can't keep for 2 seconds, and a gifted girl with back problems. The truth is in the revolting movie advent children, and while we're on the topic Final Fantasy the spirits within shouldn't even be called a final fantasy! The truth about FF7 is the only reason people like it is because the graphics, music, and choppy plot. The only thing I remember about that game is Aerith dying. I've made my point! OH and only the original SNES chrono trigger by the by.

First of all, none of the original members of the Final Fantasy 7 team had anything to do with any of the FF7 content released since the original game. It was made by different people to make money. Don't look at those when you say "Final Fantasy VII sucked." By all means say "Dirge of Ceberos sucked" or "Advent Children was a joke" because they do have their own title. They are tied to Final Fantasy VII by characters only. It is no different than all the Star Wars books and games out there. That doesn't qualify anyone so say "Star Wars suck" unless you are referring to the movies, since those are the only things created by George Lucas.

Secondly, people enjoyed the game for several reasons, but the graphics were seldom one of them. The graphics were so bad, people didn't even have faces or hands. They were atrocious. The music was great and the story was emersing. If you don't remember the story then you really can't comment on how good or bad it is, now can you? It's amazing how it progresses from Cloud trying to stop an evil corporation (because he's being paid) to eventually trying to save the world. Few other games can do that and not go "over-the-top." FF7 pulled it off so well, it has actually been referred to as "the first games whose story didn't simply emulate theatrical movies, but actually surpassed it" (GameTrailer's Final Fantasy Retrospective). Also, the customization (using materia) is something that has been demanded by fans to return (and finally has in Crisis Core) because it was one of the most free and diverse systems in the Final Fantasy series. You seriously need to play through it again so you remember how the game functioned and what the plot is. A few hours won't cut it, since that is scratching the surface of the game. The game was designed to be around 60 hours to beat and it's going to take most of that to learn the entire plot (and preferably the ending) and get enough materia to find some of the insane materia combos, which made the gameplay so good. Until you do that, you really don't have a leg to stand on.

Also, what you are doing would be identical to me bashing ChronoTrigger, despite not playing it for over a decade, and justifying my complaints with ChronoCrusaide and ChronoCross. Just because it's the same universe, doesn't make it the same game. Each Final Fantasy games is in it's own universe/reality so none ever overlap or interact. The reason why Crisis Core, Advent Children, Last Order, Before Crisis, and Dirge of Ceberos all have Final Fantasy VII in the title is to make sure people know which Final Fantasy universe the game/show takes place in.

OcarinaMan333 wrote:ok thanks, so I will need to visit my local EBGames

Yeah, and if you can't find it at a local retailer or refurbish shop, try www.gamedude.com. They used to compete with EB (Back when EB was Electronics Boutique) before GameStop existed. If first knew about them over 15 years ago in GamePro magazine. When I moved to Japan all of my games got "lost" and so I had to replace them. Considering copies sell for as much as $100 now, I thought that the price GameDude asked for is reasonable. However, you have to either place orders over the phone or by mail, so I hope you have a credit card (or debit with a Visa/MasterCard logo) because by mail is so sloooooooooooooooooooow.

Rembrant wrote:the only final fantasy I enjoyed was the original, because you could customize everything.

You should try Final Fantasy V, has pretty much the same freedom as the first. Also, they remade FF1 again on the PSP with 32 bit sprites. I would highly suggest it. It's great.

reev0 wrote:

GamingMad wrote:I stand by what I said!! Just because graphics and music are superb doesn't mean the gameplay is of anyworth! True Chrono trigger is good, but the game I mentioned came before FF7!! Final Fantasy doesn't revolve around an insane blond emo wielding a sword he can't keep for 2 seconds, and a gifted girl with back problems. The truth is in the revolting movie advent children, and while we're on the topic Final Fantasy the spirits within shouldn't even be called a final fantasy! The truth about FF7 is the only reason people like it is because the graphics, music, and choppy plot. The only thing I remember about that game is Aerith dying. I've made my point! OH and only the original SNES chrono trigger by the by.

First of all, none of the original members of the Final Fantasy 7 team had anything to do with any of the FF7 content released since the original game. It was made by different people to make money. Don't look at those when you say "Final Fantasy VII sucked." By all means say "Dirge of Ceberos sucked" or "Advent Children was a joke" because they do have their own title. They are tied to Final Fantasy VII by characters only. It is no different than all the Star Wars books and games out there. That doesn't qualify anyone so say "Star Wars suck" unless you are referring to the movies, since those are the only things created by George Lucas.

Secondly, people enjoyed the game for several reasons, but the graphics were seldom one of them. The graphics were so bad, people didn't even have faces or hands. They were atrocious. The music was great and the story was emersing. If you don't remember the story then you really can't comment on how good or bad it is, now can you? It's amazing how it progresses from Cloud trying to stop an evil corporation (because he's being paid) to eventually trying to save the world. Few other games can do that and not go "over-the-top." FF7 pulled it off so well, it has actually been referred to as "the first games whose story didn't simply emulate theatrical movies, but actually surpassed it" (GameTrailer's Final Fantasy Retrospective). Also, the customization (using materia) is something that has been demanded by fans to return (and finally has in Crisis Core) because it was one of the most free and diverse systems in the Final Fantasy series. You seriously need to play through it again so you remember how the game functioned and what the plot is. A few hours won't cut it, since that is scratching the surface of the game. The game was designed to be around 60 hours to beat and it's going to take most of that to learn the entire plot (and preferably the ending) and get enough materia to find some of the insane materia combos, which made the gameplay so good. Until you do that, you really don't have a leg to stand on.

Also, what you are doing would be identical to me bashing ChronoTrigger, despite not playing it for over a decade, and justifying my complaints with ChronoCrusaide and ChronoCross. Just because it's the same universe, doesn't make it the same game. Each Final Fantasy games is in it's own universe/reality so none ever overlap or interact. The reason why Crisis Core, Advent Children, Last Order, Before Crisis, and Dirge of Ceberos all have Final Fantasy VII in the title is to make sure people know which Final Fantasy universe the game/show takes place in.

Wow, uh you must really like this game then huh? Well, it just so happens I have played through it recently and traded it in. And to sum it up I still dislike it, I don't care what you say I just don't like th game. We're all intitled to our own opinions aren't we? Still that doesn't make them true though, you have your I have mine. I don't like it and appartently you do.

GamingMad wrote: Wow, uh you must really like this game then huh?

Yes, I really like the original, I hate what square had done with the series, and was a bit annoyed when you said that it sucks but you can't remember anything about it (since that seems contradictory)

Honestly, I have been playing games for over 20 years now. I have seen every incarnation of Final Fantasy, and that game forced me to drop over $200 just to play it. It took me 3 months to beat (was in college at the time, so kinda had a busy schedule cause I was working part-time too) but was worth every penny. You have every right to think it sucks. Many games who liked 6 hated 7. I was the opposite. 6 didn't feel like a Final Fantasy game to me (completely different sprites, first game not in a "fantasy" world, plot had nothing to do with crystals, changed the name of Summons to "Espers", etc), and FF7 at least felt more natural to me. Since then, I have played the game about 3 times (and I'm actually playing it again now, about 15 hours into it). Like the rest of the FF series that I like, it is very fun to revisit (for me).

Like I said before, I don't mind you not liking the game, as long as you can explain why. Even with as much as I like FF7, I despise all the crap they have released in it's name for the 10 year anniversary. I also acknowledge that no one who made the original game was responsible for that garbage, so I don't count it.

This game is one of the best ever. Period. The graphics were terrible except for the cinematics, but graphics aren't high on my list of what makes a game. This game was good because of the storyline, gameplay, and music. I'm not sure what you disliked about the gameplay. The materia system is the only customizing structure I've ever liked in any of the RPGs I've played. It definitely beats the hell out of the sphere grid from FF X. The scope of this game is massive, and maxing it out is a challenging and rewarding experience. And liking a game for its music and plotline are totally valid. It seems you've belittled those aspects somewhat, but storyline is almost at the top of my list for how I judge games, right behind gameplay. Sometimes a game that's got choppy gameplay will even excuse itself by having an amazing storyline.

Simply put, the number of people who have played this game and loved it vastly outnumber the people who hated it. Few games are liked as universally as FF VII. It will be near the top of my greatest games list (and millions of other people's) for a long, long time.

EDIT: By the way, I throughly enjoyed Advent Children. What didn't you like about it?